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Post by Jacen- on Dec 5, 2013 14:29:36 GMT -5
I am sorry this isn't a suggestion about some Undead strategy, but I am curious to see IF there are any successful Undead strategies out there that you guys have come up with BESIDES the normal DK/Lich Fiends/Dest/Wyrms that you have done and been successful with, I have a couple of my own I need to look at and refine first before I post them to make sure all the kinks are worked out, but yeah, any cool strats out there?
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Post by StaffMod on Dec 5, 2013 16:21:30 GMT -5
lolol... fiends are very very versatile but i do think fiends are highly over rated. the only reason fiends are so popular is cuz DK heal + aura + burrow + web omg lol. I like to compare DK fiends to Pally rifles cuz they are the only main healing heros. But the DK is just so versatile since pally cant attack non-undead with his heal, plus pally defense aura is possibly the worst aura in the game. It really pisses me off as a human player.
But here is why I think fiends are over rated.
Theres 2 main strats for undead, rushing and teching. If your rushing your massing tier 1 and if your teching you don't need a lot of tier 1. If your going to rush you wont beabe to get web and hopefully dont need AA so why not mass cheap units to overwhelm your opponent with ghouls and maybe vamp aura?
if your teching then you don't need a big tier 1 army and you should be relying more on harassing and maybe getting some towers. Every race has 2 tier 1 units, if you are fast tech to tier 2 you shouldn't waste money on a lot of tier 1 and therefor you can get superior units. Web can seriously fuck up an air army but there are times where web doesn't do shit to air so if your still massing fiends against air you must not have been teching, am I right?? aren't gargs the better AA for ud anyway?
I don't know if what im saying makes since I just think (at least from my human perspective) that if you can survive with just a few ghouls you can save your money for better units.
But to answer your question here are some non fiend strats I have seen:
I have seen pro replays where the UD doesn't build his alter, he gets his ghouls for wood then immediately techs to tier 2 before even getting his alter (better hope it a big map) so you can get fast tier 2 and rush with gargs hoping your opponent doesn't have AA yet.
Heres another thing I hate about UD is the over rated frosties. again this is from my human eyes but I think frosties suck since I can enshackle them with Dhawks. however Dhawks can NOT enshackle destroyers which really pisses me off, as a human destroyers are way too overpowered. Imo the best strat for ud is get some ghouls for early game defense and to creep with and then you can save all your money you would be wasting on fiends to mass more destos and maybe some gargs. unless of course your opponent has tanks which then you should be getting aboms (not fiends)
Trust me ghouls are very very Under rated and can be utilized better, I love creeping with ghouls and when they get hurt you send them back to mine wood and heal and swap them back and forth (kinda like militia creeping). mass ghouls allows for easy surrounds and probably works better for fast expos. the ONLY problem with ghouls is there lack of AA which as I said before there are better AA units then fiends. If you save your money by not getting fiends you should beable to tech faster and use gargs just as well for AA when needed. its about knowing when to get what you need.
I may be a human only player, but UD is definitely my 2nd best race. the only reason people hate ghouls is they die a lot faster and you cant heal them as easily as fiends, but that's just lack of micro imo. if your as "pro" as you think with your micro you should be able to handle ghouls just as well as fiends, just stop relying on such a heavy tier 1 army and learn to utilize your bigger units asap and you will do fine.
I know a lot of UD players would probably disagree, but hopefully I answered your question  the best player is a versatile player, use the same strat every game and your gonna get owned against anybody who knows your strat
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Post by kongos on Dec 6, 2013 19:57:19 GMT -5
Gargs are only good vs some air units. Fiends are better for most AA situations with UD. Frosties are easily the best t3 air unit in the game. High dmg and frost for the win.
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Post by mystyle2468 on Dec 8, 2013 8:41:49 GMT -5
Well ghouls, just just as wtvr said already are very under rated. Ghouls however does require having better micro. I think you should check out some replays of TeD, He has everything that you are searching for, like using grag, ghouls and sometimes even necromancers.
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Post by kongos on Dec 8, 2013 21:30:36 GMT -5
Banshees more common than necro but TeD is a heavy fiend user. Check out FoV or Lucifer for some good ghoul usage.
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Post by mystyle2468 on Dec 9, 2013 5:37:03 GMT -5
I gave only a few examples. I know he is using many different strats than these.
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Post by xLR on Dec 9, 2013 14:13:33 GMT -5
As far as solo I don't think friends are always the best idea. But in team games I think fiends/wyrm mass nuke is the best "carry" strat which is why most UD goes that.
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Post by Jacen- on Dec 9, 2013 14:20:21 GMT -5
Yeah when I DO use fiends sometimes I get a couple banshees with my stats if they don't have decent anti magic because curse just owns them sometimes and of course anti magic shell does wonders too
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Post by xLR on Dec 9, 2013 16:39:54 GMT -5
anti-magic does great things unless the enemy has dispel.. then that kinda sucks. I think possess is very underrated as well.
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Post by Castlevania on Dec 11, 2013 0:21:47 GMT -5
In solo or 2s, its fun to get CL with beetles & ghouls then rush and bring an aco and blight with u and throw up a few towers. If the player is good they will most likely defend it but a lot of times I get the W.
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Post by Dark-Spirit on Dec 21, 2013 2:56:43 GMT -5
It depends on what type of game it is and against what race.
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Post by GarG.AbUsE on Nov 16, 2015 22:57:45 GMT -5
I shy away from ghouls because they have such little HP and are really only useful once they have frenzy. Panda rapes ghouls. Ghouls to gargs was common in ROC and I'm new to FT but any time I go ghouls they immediately get Panda and rape my army.
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the best player is a versatile player, use the same strat every game and your gonna get owned against anybody who knows your strat
